This is the last post of a a multi-part series on a project I tackled to restore the interior of my 24-year-old Ferrari 328 GTS using products from Leatherique. Throughout this series, I’ll give you some background and show you the “before” condition of the leather. I’ll walk through the Conditioning and Cleaning process, the Re-Dying process and, finally, show the end result.
Part 4: “I look really good after I dyed...”
Several months have passed since my last update. Since then, we’ve attended a couple car shows (including the 2011 Ferrari Club of America (FCA) Meet in Savannah) and spent a lot of time traveling.
I hope this series as much fun to read as was the actual restoration work (and seeing the end result).
Part 4: “I look really good after I dyed...”
Several months have passed since my last update. Since then, we’ve attended a couple car shows (including the 2011 Ferrari Club of America (FCA) Meet in Savannah) and spent a lot of time traveling.
As Thanksgiving is quickly approaching, I finally have some time to update the series on re-dying the interior of my Ferrari 328 using products from Leatherique.
Just to recap, the entire interior of the car was dirty, faded and very tired. However, the leather was in remarkable condition (including the driver’s seat bolster—which is notorious for being extremely warn). My goal was to restore the leather without impacting the color of the stitching. I also wanted to restore the leather to its original color. Referencing the Original Ferrari V8 book by Keith Bluemel, I ordered dye from Leatherique based on the color code. When I received the dye, I noticed it was too light. I proved this by cutting a swatch of leather from under the center tunnel (where UV fading is not an issue) that showed the leather in its original color. I sent the swatch to Leatherique where they gladly re-tinted my dye to a perfect match.
This photo shows the first round of dye compared to the swatch (in an inconspicuous area behind the door pocket).
Once I got the dye color straightened out, I began prepping for the dye. This included several applications of the Prepping Agent. You know it is working when you see old dye appear on your white terry towel (purchased in a bundle at Lowe’s).
Remember, the key is to break up the existing dye on the surface of the leather so the new dye will adhere. Removing too much dye will likely remove the grain of the leather, which is part of the lure of the old Connolly leather in these classic Ferraris. Prep with caution…once the grain of the leather is “sanded away”, it’s gone forever.
Once everything was prepped, I began the ever tedious process of cutting in around each and every stitch with a hobby brush. This proved to be very effective and not too difficult. It just took a steady hand, lots of patience and many evenings and weekends.
If you look real close in some of the pictures, you’ll notice a white material on the seats. That is the Crack Filler (insert plumber jokes here) sold by Leatherique. It basically is a pliable, dyeable spackle-like material that lets you fill in cracks, scrapes or other imperfections in your leather and then dye it.
I have to admit I was a little skeptical using this product. However, using toothpicks and an old credit card, I found it very easy to apply and make it look correct. Toothpicks to apply, the credit card to run across the surface to get it level with the surface. I followed with light (very, very light) sanding to make certain there were no bumps in the surface. (Just like you would fill a nail hole in drywall with spackle). This process might require several evenings to allow for adequate drying time between applications.
Once everything was cut in, the process of “wipe dying” began. This involved using the dye, thinned with bottled water. Basically, “stir” the dye according to the instructions provided by Leatherique. Pour some into a plastic container (I'd recommend only using containers from Bojangles...just have your cardiologist on speed-dial) and thin it slightly with a cap full of bottled water. I found it also helpful to slightly dampen the white terry towel I was using for the dying process. This allowed me to apply the dye in very thin, even coats. Remember, too thick and you get the “Tammy Faye Bakker” look—which is not necessarily too appealing to Concours judges...unless one of your judges is Jim Bakker...
To speed the dying process, I would use a hair dryer to dry between coats. This allowed me to apply several coats in one sitting. The thinner the coats, the more natural the dye looks on the surface.
So, after the hours of cleaning and conditioning very tired, dry leather, repairing a couple minor scrapes, “cutting in” around countless stitches and applying several light coats of dye this is the end result:
Door Pockets (one dyed, one not):
Seat Backs (one dyed, one not):
Driver's Seat (Before and After):
Here are some photos of the car being judged in Savannah. The car didn’t win an award, but showed extremely well. The car scored in an award range, but wasn’t the highest in its range (thus, no award). It’s easy to feel defeated when so much time is spent bringing a car back from the dead and not winning an award. Yet, being judged provides a “punch list” of items to address with the goal of bringing it back for another judging.
I hope you have enjoyed reading about the re-dye process and have learned something along the way. For this project, on a scale of 1 to 10 (ten being “I’m the kind of person that rebuilds transmission in my sleep”, one being “All I do is put gas in my car”), I’d give this project a difficulty level of 4. It’s not overly difficult, but requires patience, persistence and a keen eye for detail.
In the upcoming months, I’ll try to keep more current with product reviews and, although there are tons of blogs that cover paint correction, maybe even walk back through the steps of prepping the paint for the FCA National Meet in Savannah.
Until then, “Keep er’ between the ditches”….
Dallas:
ReplyDeleteYour blog has been a great read as I too want to get to a 95 point 328. I completely concur on keeping the contrasting stitching intact as the car is only original once.
I was wondering if a "cover" for the threads could be created, say thin strips of tape laid over the thread lines, and then an airbrush used to blow on the thin coats.
Did you replace your carpets as well? Can you share who you purchased them from and how was the color/ fit etc?
What about the engine? Did you do anything to clean it up as well? It have been my experience that both the interior and the engine/ engine bay area are in the most need of attention.
Can you share what the judges deducted points for? Do they give you a sheet that shows the deductions?
Thanks and good luck with future showings.
Michael
Michael,
ReplyDeleteThese are great questions! Thanks for posting them.
On your leather stitching question, because those threads are so thin, it would be really tough to get a piece of tape thin (yet workable) enough to cover them. Further, you’d still have the small space in the leather between the stitch holes that would also be masked (and therefore not get any color). However, I think you're on to something here....if you could use a brush to cut-in around the threads (like I did) and give yourself enough space around them, you could then mask that area off with some very, very light tack tape (like Painter's Tape) and airbrush the remaining areas (in lieu of using the wipe dye method). That would likely give you a very good result. I will go this route if I ever go down this road again.
Although my leather was faded, the carpets were in pretty good shape. I didn't have to replace those, but I do see pieces frequently on eBay. (Be prepared to sell a kidney, though).
As far as show prep, I'd say you are correct on spending a considerable amount of time on the engine bay. Certainly, the fit and finish of the paint / exterior is the first thing the judges see as they approach the car. The interior is next, followed by the engine bay. Making sure all the gauges / lights work properly and the interior is clean and neat is key. In the engine bay, look for rusty bolt heads (seriously), graying hoses, incorrect hoses and clamps, and so on. I used Griot’s Speed Shine to wipe down the painted areas in the engine bay and Griot’s Vinyl and Rubber Dressing to make the rubber hoses nice and black. However, while clean is important, "correct" is more important.
No one knows your car better than you, right? Yet, you see it every day and may easily overlook something that someone else might notice right away. That said, I'd suggest having your mechanic (or another Ferrari owner who has been judged before) take a couple hours and go over your car with you. Have them do a "mock judging" and give you a punch list of items to address. At the end of the day, it all depends who your judges are when you are judged. There were items that I thought for sure I would be dinged for…yet, they went unnoticed. Things I never thought of (rusty bolt heads—which I’m still trying to find) and graying hoses cost me points.
Thanks again for the questions and best of luck to you, as well!!
Dallas:
ReplyDeleteOn the masking, airbrushing, yes, my idea was to do a hybrid of your hybrid technique. Cut in around the stitching just as you did, so I am left with large patches of undyed areas, then mask off the cut in and stitch "tracks" with the painters tape and then blow on thin coats till the intersection points between the new dye and the old color faded away.
What do you think?
I flew to Houston on Tuse to see the car I was interested in. The owner is an engineer and really loves the car. It was a strange mix though. He has corrected the paint and it's just about concours quality right now.
The IP and doors are as new. But the seats are like your's were. A bit faded, cracked, 23 years of dirt and oil etc. The carpets are very clean but faded in some spots. So that will need some work, hence being inspired by your blog!
The engine and engine bay were another interesting mix. The engine area was dirty with accumulated dust etc. and the engine itself was dirty like someone had just got done working on it and had yet to clean it up. But all the fittings, hoses, clamps, even the brass and other metal parts were as new. So it really just needs a thorough detail. Everything else on the car is pretty much as new. I'm having the PPI done on mon and hope to have an offer on the car tues/ weds.
Regarding getting the car correct so as not to lose points, what are you using as reference? If they are telling you why you lost points does it then come down to replacing worn or rusted parts? What about correcting something that was non original? One way would be to find someone who knows, correct? Or old photos from when the cars were new? Does the Bluementhal book show this sort of stuff?
Have you come across any color charts for the interiors for these cars that show the leather colors you could choose in 86', 87. 88 etc? I have seen what people call "creama" which is sort of an off white/ very light tan, then there is the tan of your resto, and the car I am looking at is sort of a goldenrod tan. More yellow, not as much orange. I am wondering if there were multiple tan options or is the leather in the car I am looking at just faded. The photos you have posted show such a wide variance in the hue, warmth and intensity of the tan which can be caused by whether the photo was shot in daylight, florescent or flash, etc. If I get the car I will look under the seat or in an area of the console that was not exposed to see the original color. But I was wondering how many tans they offered back in the day.
Do you plan on showing your car again?
Hey, Michael. Sorry for the delayed response.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, did you get the car? If you did, CONGRATULATIONS! If not, keep looking. The right one will land in your lap.
One of these days, I’ll get around to posting some pictures of the work I did to correct the paint. That, too, was a tedious process, but it really came out looking nice. Also, one of these days, I’ll get around to redying the vacuum hoses that run to the plenum that are really tired and gray (I got dinged for having gray hoses at Nationals). When I do that, I’ll be sure to document the process.
As I’m sure you know, having a good reference is key to any type of restoration. I’ve found Keith Bluemel’s Original Ferrari V8 book to be a good reference, but certainly not a bible. While he captures many of the model variations, there are so many variations to document—not only between Euro and US Spec cars, but even between Euro-spec models. I seem to recall a thread on FerrariChat some time ago where a person was looking for the specifics for a German-spec 3x8. If memory serves me correctly, it was interesting to read the comments and see just how many variations that exist. So, in respect to Mr. Bluemel’s book, it is a terrific reference, but there are just too many subtle differences to capture and present in a book that is really not intended to be too far in the weeds. Nevertheless, if you don’t already own it, I would suggest you locate one. It does list all the color codes / options and does have some good reference pictures.
Another good reference is doing just what you are doing. Networking and asking questions. Attend a FCA meet as a spectator. Take a camera and a stack of business cards. Talk to folks and take some good pictures. I swapped e-mails with a Platinum-winning 328 owner a few months ago in regards to his trunk space…pardon me…rear boot space…and how the antenna cover was placed over his antenna. In the photos he snapped for me, I noticed he had a “cover” over the hole in the trunk under the antenna. I don’t have a cover. I thought, “Darn! There’s another part to track down”! I talked to another friend with a Euro-spec 328 and asked him if he had a cover over the “cubby-hole” under his antenna….he does not. Problem averted, but yet another example of the subtle differences between US and non-US spec models.
Finally, as to the color of the leather, I would strongly suggest finding a piece of leather that is free from UV fading and is as clean as possible to send to Leatherique for color matching. I don’t know if I mentioned this yet or not, but I took mine from under the center tunnel once it was removed from the car. This will guarantee a good match. To my knowledge, there were only two shades of “tan” offered back in the day. VM4208 (beige) and VM3997 (crema).
One thing I took away from the FCA National meet was (as bad as this sounds) the average age of the people in attendance. The people with all the knowledge aren’t getting any younger. It is up to a new generation of Ferrari owners to carry the torch of the marquee and learn all they can, then pass on their knowledge when that time comes. I’m glad you’re asking questions and hope you continue to ask and learn all you can. (I’m doing the same thing).
As for showing, I’ll continue to show. It is really fun to get out and see different cars and talk to the owners…a great learning opportunity!
Dallas:
ReplyDeleteTh car arrived last friday and I have to say it has been quite surreal living with it for the last week. I have it parked in my office warehouse so I see it all day long. Sometimes it seems natural for it to be there and other times it's overwhelming in a good way. One of my best friends came by today to see it. He's a car guy too but on a more profound level, he understands the metaphysical meaning of the car, as a symbol in my life. It was great to share it with him.
I took it out on monday to get it registered and it was like an great amusement park ride. As soon as you get off you want to get right back on again. I was buzzed for the rest of the day. The quality of the engagement, the shifting, the clutch, the sounds, everything adds up to an experience like no other. A true joy.
I have begun my detail / restoration and overall have found some good things and some surprises vs. my initial experience with the car when I went to see it before the purchase. The paint, while very clean, is not as corrected as it looked in the fading light of day upon my initial review. Seeing it the sun, it needs some attention. And the seats, as mentioned do as well. I will start with the leatherique process and see what they look like after a deep cleaning. I am thinking there is the "cut in" redye using the "Dallas Method" lurking in my future. Noted on the cutting the sample. My interior is the tan but the "orange" quality of the color has faded a bit.
Did you replace your carpets? Mine are clean but faded a bit. Is that something they would ding me for at a show?
I gave all the ancillary leather ( tool kit bags, owners manual cover and targa cover) the treatment this week and they came out like new. That has me stoked to get started on the interior. A few questions -
Did you or do you use the oil on your dash/ IP? The dash in my car is like new ( no bubbling or pulling/ drying/ cracking anywhere) but it is over dressed. A bit too shiny. I want to make sure the leather stays soft and moisturized. So I was thinking of giving it the leatherique treatment. Have you done this to your instrument panel? I was thinking of using one of those foam painter brushes to help control the oil and taping out around anything I didn't want the oil to touch. Any thoughts on this?
Is the interior easy to breakdown - ie the door panels and center console? Everything in my car works and I'd hate to take it part and mess up the fact that it's all sorted. The seats seem easy to remove but what about the other parts in the interior? Can you speak to that? I have looked everywhere (all the f-car chat sites) and not found a "How to Break Down Your Interior" thread.
I came up with a great solution for the need for the steam room when the oil is applied. I just put each part in the back of my daily driver which sits in the sun all day while I am working. I did this with the smaller leather parts this week and it worked out great. The larger parts will fit without a problem and the sun can work it's magic.
The other area that needs attention is the engine bay. The tube going from the airbox to the body is losing it's finish. I have been doing some reseach to find the correct finish and it seems much more glossy than I had expected. I have a few chips on the plenum that need to be fixed as well as some chips in the matte black engine surround area. Some more questions-
Did you do any polishing /detailing to the engine metal or other metal parts for the show? I have heard the judges do not like things over done. Did you replace your stickers with new ones? How important are those details? Should they be "as new" or a nick or two is OK? I have to see some more engines and as you mentioned, take some pics of some winning cars to get a more clear idea of the standard.
I've sourced the Blumenthal book. Thank you for all your suggestions and support. All the insight and information is much appreciated.
Michael,
DeleteCongrats and welcome to the wonderful world of Ferrari ownership. As you have seen by now, a Ferrari is a car…everything else is just transportation! The feel, the look, the sound the whole experience is hard to put into words! If you are like me, you’ll find yourself just gazing at the car. It is truly a beautiful car from any angle (that can’t be said for too many cars)!
My dash is black vinyl, not leather. Since my dash isn’t leather, I didn’t use the Rejuvenator Oil on it (it certainly won’t hurt vinyl, it won’t really help it, either). I think I did the initial cleaning with Prestine Clean, but used Griot’s Garage Vinyl & Rubber Dressing on the dash. I found Griot’s Vinyl & Rubber Dressing works extremely well on the dash, exterior mirrors and targa cover. I also use it on the door / window weather stripping and rubber hoses in the engine bay. It makes the tires look really nice, too. If your dash is leather (an option, if I recall), then, yes, a foam brush might help control the application. I had on a clear latex glove and used my fingers to apply the oil.
The only real gotcha when removing the interior is the center tunnel. Use extra caution when removing the switches from the center console. They can break (and aren’t cheap to replace). If you are methodical and patient, you should be fine. I would even go as far as documenting the process by taking plenty of “before” pictures to see how it was assembled prior to disassembly. Put screws and other bits in labeled Ziploc bags. Having all the switches/controls exposed gives you a chance to inspect the bulbs and replace any that won’t work. Further, I would label each switch’s wiring connection so you know “what plugs into what” when you reassemble. You could even go as far as leaving the labels on the wires (no one will ever see them) and write the month/year on the labels so the next guy that takes the center console apart knows when it was last removed from the car. Just a thought.
I did not remove/replace my carpets. For the most part, they are in good condition. I just used a good carpet cleaner (Resolve diluted with water) and white terry towels. Faded carpets (if very noticeable) is something they could (underline “could”) ding you for.
When it comes to “over restoration”, I’ve heard the judges do deduct points for that. I was fortunate to have an airbox with very good original stenciling, an original paint code decal (that is almost intact…almost because it has a nick in it, as if someone tried to remove it). The Euro-spec cars don’t have many other decals (especially related to emissions or the Catalytic converter). My mechanic “repainted” my plenum and it came out great. I’m not sure what he would charge, but I’m sure you can remove it and ship it to him. If you’d like to pursue that, I can put you two in touch. The more you can get your car looking like it did the day it left Maranello, the better off you will be.
On the paint correction, I had very good luck with Griot’s line of Machine Polishes and Best of Show Wax. The paint correction took many, many hours, but came out really nice. There are tons of products out there, but the Griot’s stuff seems pretty “fool proof” for weekend guys like us. I have found articles from a guy by the name of Todd Cooperider to be very informative. You can read some of his stuff here: http://www.toddcooperider.com/. He does this sort of thing for a living, but is very detailed (pardon the pun) on explaining techniques and products.
It sounds like you are off to a great start. I plan on tackling the “redye” of the hoses in the engine bay soon.
Again, great questions! If you hit a snag or want me to put you in touch with my mechanic, drop me a PM on FChat (Dal0522).
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